GOOD NEWS!  Last night, the Mission Bay Park Commitee approved the proposed time change to Fiesta Island road closure from 6:00 am to 10:00 am.  That gives you an extra hour to finish the Marathon, which equals to a later start, which equals to a well-lit course, which equals to more fun, and so on… [...]

By: James Wilson Lexi Hutchings is a 26-year old skateboarder from San Diego, California, who is involved with Subsonsic Boards. She is also a professional skimboarder. She recently won The San Diego Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon. Adrenalina’s James Wilson got Lexi to spill the beans about her marathon experience: JW: You were new to the Adrenalina [...]

By: James Wilson Robin McGuirk is a 35-year old skateboarder from Oregon who is involved with Daddie’s Board Shop and Eastside Longboards. He recently placed 2nd in the San Diego Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon. Adrenalina’s James Wilson was able to pick his brain about some post race thoughts: JW: With a lot of other events going [...]

By: James Wilson What a race we had last weekend at The Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon on Fiesta Island in Mission Bay in San Diego. No one knew what to expect going into the race, but regardless, it exceeded its lofty expectations. With some annual longboarding powers like Jeff Vyain, Paul Kent and Kiefer Dixon gone, [...]

Here are the official race results for San Diego’s race today. Thank to all that raced and came out to support us. It was a blast!   http://www.pigmantri.com/jmsracing/results12/adren_sd12.html

Thank you all for registering for the Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon that will take place on Saturday, October 20, 2012 at 6:00 AM sharp. It will be an epic race like you’ve never seen before. The following is important information you will need for this weekend: – The event will consist of 6 laps around Fiesta [...]

Town and Country Resort & Convention Center 500 Hotel Circle North San Diego, CA 92108 Room rate – $99.00 single- quad. Parking $3.00 daily. Reservations Phone: 1-800-772-8527 http://www.towncountry.com/  

Well the marathon is just around the corner and we couldn’t be more stoked. Unfortunately, that does mean our final giveaway will take place on October 16th. The good news is, it’s our best one yet! We are giving away a board from our friends at Streetboardz that is the ultimate cross trainer for the [...]

So we just did a quick tally, everyone! The marathon is now being represented by 5 different countries and 14 different US states! We couldn’t thank you more for your support whether you are right here in California or as far as Australia! Hope everyone has a blast in next weekend! Countries: – USA – [...]

It’s late notice guys, but we have another giveaway going down TOMORROW! These things are getting bigger and better because we love you guys, so get a chance to win a Loaded Dervish Sama Flex 3 deck. This is a best giveaway yet. So just sign up for the marathon before tomorrow and get a [...]

Hey all! Here is how the prize purse will break down this year: Mens – 1st – $1,500 2nd – $1,000 3rd – $500 4th – $200 5th – $100 Women’s – 1st – $1,000 2nd – $500 3rd – $200 The reason we are only paying the top 3 women and a bit less [...]

You wanted it and we gave it to you! The prize purse for San Diego has been DOUBLED! We are now going to offer the top finishers $5,000 dollars in prize money! We do everything we can for our fans and supporters and this is our way of giving back to you guys and thanking [...]

Need a complete to get ready for the marathon? Come in and check out this complete we are selling at a more than 30% off. Deville Interstate deck, 180mm Navigators, Bones Swiss bearings and 85mm Seismic Speed Vents. This is an ADRENALINA SKATEBOARD MARATHON SPECIAL! Check it out below: Don’t think about it! This is [...]

Great news, guys! Our next giveaway will be a box of goodies from Khiro! All those that register before August 6th at midnight PST will be eligible in the drawing. The drawing will take place on Tuesday, August 7th and be run in the same fashion as the previous ones. Thanks and keep training!

Great news, guys! Our next giveaway will be a set of Metro Link Wheels! All those that register before July 23 at midnight PST will be eligible in the drawing. The drawing will take place on Tuesday, July 24th and be run in the same fashion as the first one. Thanks and keep training!

Recently, legendary Jack Smith hosted the Morro Bay Mile in California on the Fourth of July and a new record holder came from the event. Marc Juvinall set the standing start mile record with a time of 3:42.82. It was on a measurable mile course and was timed using professional equipment. We are proud to [...]

By: James Wilson We here at Adrenalina believe that one good turn deserves another. Last week, we brought you the top men to look out for at this year’s marathon in San Diego on October 20th, now we’d like to bring you the top women to look out for this year. These chicks ROCK and [...]

In order to provide you with some Independence Day joy, we are proud to announce we are offering a registration giveaway special! We will be giving away a set of Tekton Bearings to a lucky winner. All those that register via Active by July 9th at 7PM PST will be eligible. A live drawing will [...]

By: James Wilson With the next marathon set for a little over four months away, the team thought it would be fun to spark some debate, by telling you whom we think the biggest competitors to Jeff Vyain will be this year. Obviously, the first name that will come to anyone’s mind is the reigning [...]

Another great deal for the skateboard marathon guys! For just $99 a night (plus free parking), you can stay at the Comfort Inn and Suites Zoo/Seaworld Area. There’s no link but you can call and ask for the “Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon” rate. Comfort Inn & Suites Zoo SeaWorld Area 2485 Hotel Circle Pl., San Diego, CA, US, 92108 Phone: (619) [...]

Great news everyone! We have our first hotel offer for you guys. You can book your room at the Hilton Resort and Spa at: http://www.hilton.com/en/hi/groups/personalized/S/SANHIHF-ADR-20121018/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG Hilton Resort and Spa 1775 East Mission Bay Drive   San Diego, California   92109 ( 619) 275-8975    

With the Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon set for October 20th in San Diego, there is a lot to begin to think about. The event will feature many of the best skaters from around the world who will be seeking individual and team glory. Here are 10 things you need and should know about the upcoming event: [...]

Great news everyone! The Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon will be back in 2012 and figures to be better than ever! There will be one race on the 2012 schedule but it will be our best to date and figures to have the largest participant pool ever. With a reduced cost of just 30 dollars this year, [...]

Here are your final tour standings after what has been an epic 2011: MEN’S 1. Paul Kent – 40 points – What can be said about this man that hasn’t been said already. He is truly a competitor that has shown in and out at every tour stop that he just knows how to race. [...]

Here are the full Hallandale Results: http://www.pigmantri.com/jmsracing/results11/adren_fl11.html

We’re giving away 2 tickets to the 311 concert in Boca Raton to the participant who gets the most friends to sign up for the Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon! Have your friends enter your name in the “Referred by” section on the race registration page, and you could be going to see 311 for FREE!

Here’s everything that went down in Plano for the 3rd stop of the Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon. Paul Kent and Sara Paulshock were your winners. This will make for an exciting final stop of the tour in Hallandale Beach!

Here are your tour standings after that fantastic Plano stop: MEN’S 1. Paul Kent – 29 points 2. Jeff Vyain – 28  points 3. Kiefer Dixon – 16 points 4. Robin McGuirk – 14 points 5. Andrei Hippix – 12 points 5. William Coale – 12 points 7. Javon Lang – 9 points 8. Enrique [...]

Here are your full results from Plano: http://www.pigmantri.com/jmsracing/results11/adren_tx11.html

CHECK IN will be at the Adrenalina Store at the Shops at Willow Bend (6121 W. Park Blvd.) from 12-5PM. ALL RACERS MUST COME AND CHECK IN. Without checking in, we can not guarantee your race for Sunday. At check in, you will receive your race bib, safety pins, sign any waivers you may need [...]

Book your room for the Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon, Hallandale Beach! Hampton Inn Hallandale Beach-Aventura $99/night available via telephone at (954) 874-1111 use group code ASM. http://www.hamptoninnaventura.com/  

We are excited to announce that Adrenalina will be hosting the 1st Skateboard Marathon World Championships. This will be the final race of the 2011 Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon World Tour in Hallandale Beach, FL on November 5, 2011. The top distance skaters from around the world are expected to come out and compete for the [...]

After a spectacular Puerto Rican race, we have our up to date tour standings with 2 events left: Men’s 1. Jeff Vyain – 19 points 2. Paul Kent  - 18 points 3. William Coale – 12 points 4. Kiefer Dixon – 11 points 5. Andrei Hippix – 10 points 6. Javon Lang – 9 points [...]

FULL RESULTS Kiefer, Dixon NY 21 M 1:38:39 Paul, Kent ALB 29 M 1:38:48 Jeff, Vyain NY 27 M 1:41:56 Andrei, Hippix NY 21 M 1:42:54 William, Coale NY 28 M 1:46:09 Javon, Lang NJ 16 M 1:46:52 Solomon, Lang NY 29 M 1:46:57 Steven, SanchezNY 21 M 1:49:35 Jose, Perez PR 29 M 1:52:05 [...]

Seriously, how much fun was it having an Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon in your backyard at Governor’s Island? Having the marathon here at home was ridiculous!! I was pumped from the moment you guys told me I guessed right that New York City was the first stop on the World Tour. What do you think allowed [...]

Registration/check in for the Caguas, Puerto Rico Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon will take place at Moisty Skate Park. Registration will run from 10AM-5PM on Saturday August 27. YOU MUST REGISTER/CHECK IN, IN ORDER TO RACE ON THE 28TH. At check in, you will receive your marathon tee shirt, your racer bib numbers, and safety pins to [...]

What made you, not only move to the States, but the great city of Brooklyn, NY? This is still a question I can catch myself thinking about even right now. When I was 8 years old, my sister moved, first to Finland and then to the United States. Around six years later, due to some [...]

We’re sure many of you forgot this was a TOUR, so here’s what your women’s tour standings look like after the NYC marathon: Cami Best – 11 points Sara Paulshock – 9 points Priscilla Bouillon  – 8 points Maribeth McHugh – 7 points Nathalie Herring – 6 points Danielle DeJesus – 5 points Carina Fuller [...]

We’re sure many of you forgot this was a TOUR, so here’s what your tour standings look like after the NYC marathon: Jeff Vyain – 11 points Paul Kent – 9 points Robin McGuirk – 8 points Stephan Reinhardt – 7 points William Coale – 6 points Adam Crigler – 5 points Javon Lang – [...]

Embassy Suites Hotel & Casino 8000 Tartak Street Carolina, PR 00979 +1 787-791-0505   Some of you may have heard but we have a special rate for the Embassy Suites in Carolina for the Puerto Rico Marathon. We’re able to offer rooms for $119/night (sleep up to 5). You will receive free breakfast every morning. [...]

For all those looking for the full results from the NYC race, they are available here: http://www.pigmantri.com/jmsracing/results11/adren_ny11.html

The X-Calibur was the official pace board of the Adrenalina World Tour. Thank you to Lt. Col. Billy and Betty Brown for your financial and technical contributions to the sport of powered skateboard racing. The National Association of Powered Skateboard Racing congratulates all the racers who competed in the New York City World Tour Push [...]

Adrenalina NYC 2011 Front Line Jeff Vyain • 27 years old • Brooklyn, NY • Nicknamed “The Wiggler” • Winner last year at the first Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon in Hallandale Beach, FL • Strong marathon background coming from a collegiate cross country and track background • Considered one of the best distance skaters in the [...]

The race will begin at Picnic Point. The course will take you on a lap around Governor’s Island in a counter-clockwise fashion. You will proceed southwest on Craig Rd. N until the road proceeds to curl towards the southeast. You will follow the curl around the water along Craig Rd. S. You will follow Craig [...]

Adrenalina’s James Wilson was able to talk to the man, the myth, the legend Jack Smith about all things longboarding. We talk about from where it all began, to some of his favorite memories, his family, his rides across the country, the USADSA, the Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon Tour and more. If there was a Mount [...]

Here are all the details on how check in is going to work in detail: – Check in will be Friday, July 29th, 2011. – Check in will run from 4-8PM at the Doubletree Metropolitan at Lexington Avenue and 51st Street (569 Lexington) in the heart of Midtown Manhattan. Check in will be in their [...]

The National Association of Powered Skateboard Racing (NAPSR) is the official governing body of powered skateboard racing, led by James Hawkins. The NAPSR is recognizing and supporting the Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon through their donation of their electric skateboards as the official pace vehicles of the New York City race. They are very excited about push [...]

Here are you winners of the art contest (in no particular order):

A very unique item, including the money prize purse, the top male and female finisher will also receive an X-Calibur Motorized Skateboard. It’s a first of it’s kind and is sure to be a ton of fun. For more information go to http://www.x-caliburskateboard.com/. Check it out in action below:

Here are your final 7:  

We are currently in the process of determining the winners of the art contest. We are sorting through all the tremendous pieces of art. We will announce your top 3 soon.

There seems to be some confusion on how to vote for your favorite artist’s skateboard design. You need to click here.  Then hover over your favorite board and click. Then proceed through the voting screens. You can only vote once per email address. Voting will run through Tuesday July 19th. Thank you all for the [...]

Adrenalina Inc. (AENA) signed the exclusive license to manufacture, distribute, market, promote, and sell Selena Gomez perfumes and related products worldwide. Gigantic Parfums LLC entered into a sublicense agreement with Adrenalina Inc. (AENA) to include Selena Gomez into its successful perfume portfolio.   The perfume is set to launch Mother’s Day 2012. Gigantic Parfums LLC [...]

Three Skowhegan, Maine longboarders were looking for something fun to do before they started their senior year of high school this fall. They believe they’ve found something to do. Jacob Weese, Connor Reeves, and Ethan Johnson will be going on a longboarding adventure. Before the boys go their separate ways, they wanted to have one [...]

Levi Baggs is a 16-year old longboarder. Levi Baggs is now recovering in the hospital. Levi Baggs made a spontaneous decision to ride the hill on Danforth Place in Burlington. He picked up speed, tucked and took a blind turn. His board slipped from under him and he fell. He then proceeded to get run [...]

Rotule has been closely working with a chemical company near Quebec City for the developpement of a new epoxy. This epoxy has outstanding mechanical properties, bringing our quality of constuction to a next level. (Courtesy of Longboardism)

Governors Island is open to the public every Friday-Sunday and all Holiday Mondays through September 25. The Governors Island Park and Public Space Master Plan has been released and the public is invited to comment. The plan can be viewed and the public can provide feedback at www.govislandpark.com. Stay informed about all that is happening on [...]

Zalman Lekach and Pablo Lanatta, hosts of the world famous Adrenalina TV Series raced the Morro Bay mile this past weekend and it was Epic.  Not only did Zalman participate, he also clocked a time under old world record for the mile and came in 6th PLACE.  Congrats to our own Zalman.  The Adrenalina TV [...]

We’re going to try and clear and up answer all your questions you may have about transportation via the Ferry in this post. Our charted Adrenalina ferries will only be run out of Manhattan. (Manhattan Governor’s Island Ferry Terminal – 10 South Street) The ferry will run from 5-7 AM every 20 minutes with the [...]

Alright shredders, you knew the prize purse was going to be $30,000 per stop, but we you didn’t how it would be divided……until NOW! Without further adieu, here we go: Male 1st – $15,000 2nd – $5,000 3rd – $2,500 4th – $1,500 5th – $1,000 Female 1st – $3,000 2nd – $1,500 3rd – [...]

ADRENALINASKATEBOARDMARATHON.COM ART CONTEST OFFICIAL RULES AND DISCLAIMER PLEASE READ THIS DOCUMENT CAREFULLY BEFORE SUBMITTING ARTOWRK. BY SUBMITTING ARTWORK, YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS SET FORTH BELOW. IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO BE BOUND BY THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, DO NOT SUBMIT ARTWORK. ADRENALINASKATEBOARDMARATHON.COM MAY MODIFY THIS AGREEMENT AT ANY TIME, [...]

A big chunk of the Arbor Skateboards freeride team including Kody Noble, Max Myers, Eric Singer and Duke Degen gets together for a downhill longboarding mission through Topanga Canyon. Watch the Vügenhausen fly.

Loaded Orangatang Free Rides Durian Longboard Skateboard Wheels These wheels are designed to grip as well as to slide. They therefore have relatively wide contact patches to provide dependable grip (especially without sharp lips to dig in with). But they are still intended to slide, so they are noticeably narrower than a slalom/race wheel (ie. [...]

We we’re able to score you guys a discount at the Doubletree Metropolitan Hotel for the NYC Marathon! ($159/night – 1 Queen – from July 29-31) The Doubletree Metropolitan Hotel New York City is perfectly located at Lexington Avenue and 51st Street in the heart of Midtown Manhattan’s fashionable East Side. This contemporary, modern landmark hotel is [...]

June 21st is the first day of summer in this hemisphere but, more importantly if you’re a skateboarder, June 21st is our official national holiday know as “Go Skateboarding Day.” School’s out, the skies are clear and if you’re a working person, maybe you’re going to be feeling a little … um sick tomorrow. Go [...]

Adrenalina’s James Wilson was able to get in touch with Matt Elver and see what he’s doing in the UK: This year’s Governor’s Island stop is a short course with more laps. Do you prefer a short course with more laps or a longer course with less laps or is there no real difference? Having [...]

I’m sure many of your are curious how we determine where we go every year and what goes in to making these decisions. Well, we’re here today to explain it to you as best as we can. One of the biggest things that we do is target locations that WANT us to be there. There [...]

SIMPLE Hogwsh is made to simply stop all odors on contact, not merely to mask a fragrance. Hogwash leaves a fresh clean smell where there was an odor. Repeated use ensures consistent fresh air. Simply spray at the odor, saturate the odor area with a fine mist, and repeat, as needed. SAFE Hogwash is made [...]

We’re blowing up everyone. The worldwide leader in sports has run a story about this year’s event. Everyone check it out at http://espn.go.com/action/skateboarding/news/story?id=6661499.

Earl Stout will be racing on Governor’s Island on July 30th with us. Read his story and you will be guaranteed to want to go out and longboard! Here’s his story in his own words: In life we are presented with challenges that make us stronger. We have the choice to make the best of [...]

Obed Boardbags’s purpose is simple. We design and build message-based longboard bags that remind and encourage you and I to declare life. See, we (you and I) are an unconventional fellowship of creators who are encouraged by God to declare life. This simply means, He has placed within us power and authority to shape our [...]

The 2011 re-release of the Long Treks Demonseed is HERE. Rayne Team Rider Paul Kent has been tweaking the design of the Demonseed over the past few years and to create the fastest, most efficient distance skating or commuting board ever made. This deck is an adaptation of the Rayne Demonseed but there are a slew [...]

Adrenalina’s James Wilson was able to talk to Calgary’s Paul Kent about this year’s tour, what went wrong last year, Canada and his family: JW: Last year in Hallandale Beach, you finished 11th when many pegged you as one of the favorites. What went wrong that day, if anything? PK: Haha, lots. I was sick, [...]

You spoke, Bustin’ listened. Raving Maestro longboard fans around the world have been asking us to create a little brother version that they can stash under a desk or carry on a plane. Well friends, here it is! But it’s more than just a pocket rocket longboard. The 32.5″ deck is becoming a first choice [...]

In hopes of obtaining a female perspective, Adrenalina’s James Wilson talked to Sara Paulshock about what it’s like competing in a sport full of men. Here’s what she had to say: JW: What made you get into skating? SP: My grandparents got me my first skateboard for my tenth birthday. I skated on and off [...]

Adrenalina, a growing extreme sports and adventure-themed lifestyle brand, today announced the initial four-city launch of the Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon World Tour.  The first skateboard event of its kind, designed to promote health and fitness, and the action sports lifestyle, the 26.2-mile longboard race will debut on Governors Island in New York City on July [...]

Adrenalina’s James Wilson was able to pick last year’s Hallandale Beach winner Jeff “The Wiggler” Vyain’s brain about last year’s event and this year’s tour along with some other stuff. Here’s what Jeff told us last night: JW: What made you get into skating to begin with? JV: My friend Sammy Shaw got a board, [...]

Everyone check out the Planet X Adrenalina TV Special! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoLn_eGJ5cU&feature=youtu.be

You can RSVP on the facebook event page. (not needed but it’ll give us an idea of numbers) Toronto Canada: June 12 at 1:00pm Longboardism will be hosting the 23rd Super Mellow beach Cruise (SMBC). It’s a great event for people of all skill level to meet like minded people. Hope to see you there! [Rain [...]

Giants Head Freeride is a downhill longboard event situated in the beautiful Okanagan Valley of British Columbia, Canada. This years event takes place on July 30th, 31st and August 1st, 2011 (BC Day long weekend) at Giant’s Head Park in Summerland BC. We are anticipating 100 riders for this epic three day freeride which will [...]

The art is pouring in Adrenalina Fans. Dont forget that you will get to vote on July 15. If you want to start to check out the Art Work, check out the Submissions

Abby Sin definitely wants $10K

Push Culture blew everyone out of the water last week supporting the Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon and entering almost 40 competitors into the NYC Marathon… Check out who is competing on behalf of PushCulture.com Remember that Gov Island is open for Skate Season every weekend. 1. Kiefer Dixon – 1 2. Maribeth Mchugh – 1 3. [...]

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Governors Island, a 172 acre island in the heart of New York Harbor, is only 800 yards from Lower Manhattan, and even closer to Brooklyn. It is a world unto itself, unique and full of promise. It’s the site for our tour opener and it’s where you need to start practicing! Skateboarding is allowed and [...]

Guys, check out this cool training/interview video of last year and everyone involved! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrSawhrvsxI

What’s up, fellas and ladies? We came across this catchy little diddy about Tony Hawk and wanted to share it with you guys and see what you guys thought. Here’s the link to it: http://hulkshare.com/7lj93t66cheq Tony Hawk has been plugging it on his Twitter.

This coming weekend, the first annual Carnage on the Coast Downhill Race and Slide Jam, part of the Florida State Race League, will be pulling riders from the southeast to compete for prizes and glory on Saturday, May 28th.  The course is approximately a third of a mile long and very technical, especially for Florida [...]

Check Out Q’s submission to the art contest… Get ready world to vote on all of some of the most talented renderings… The contest is Heating UP!!!

The Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon Art Contest is receiving a lot of submissions. In order to give everyone a fair opportunity to be judged equally, we will open a voting platform via AdrenalinaSkateboardMarathon.com with all artwork submitted on July 15. Voting will be available until July 19. The top three artists will be selected by July [...]

Up to 61% off Surfing and Skateboarding Supplies or Services at Adrenalina in Hallandale Beach, FL. Three options available. http://www.groupon.com/deals/adrenalina-miami?c=dnb&p=1

Adrenalina released the world Rankings today going into the first race in New York City in July. Here are your Top 10 in the World based on past performance: 1. Jeff Vyain 2. Theseus Williams 3. Andrei Bublikov 4. Mark Schaperow 5. Robin McGuirk 6. Kiefer Dixon 7. Matt Elver 8. Kaspar Spurgeon-Heinrici 9. Evan [...]

A message from Thom: “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference”

Chad Gibson from Street Soul Longboards submits first design check it out…

Registered Artists The Adrenalina Skateboard Art Contest is set… Here are your submission guidelines and template information: – must be original artwork – must contain the Adrenalina and scion logos within design concept – Adrenalina reserves the right to use the artwork for special edition runs of skateboards. – best of all, a free trip [...]

Skateboarding as Transport Skateboarding has been a passion of millions for decades and it is certainly a mainstream activity and not the outsider extreme sport that it once was. While serious riders and ambitious youngsters spend hours learning tricks and taking tumbles while working the same spot, more and more people are coming to see [...]

The Adrenalina Skateboard Marathon Launched its tour and will visit 4 beautiful cities in 2011. The tour kicks off at Governor’s Island in New York City on July 30. The next stop is an International Stop and visits San Juan, Puerto Rico on August 28. The third stop visits the Adrenalina Store in Plano, TX [...]

In Eugene, the skateboarding community is alive and well. It began in 1993 when the first concrete skatepark was constructed in Amazon Park, and since the turn of the millennium four other skateparks have popped up around Eugene. Coming from Southern California where there are many quality skateparks, I was blown away by the variety [...]

Details to come. 5mm off the outside lip of the Bonneville. These were designed to be front wheels on an LDP setup as well as be a more all-purpose wheel. The fat outer lip and beveled inner lip will allow them to break in nicely for sliding and the contact patch is still huge and [...]